these are irs -- essentially an irs framework that was developed to target some of these organizations. >> from everything that we know so far, tarts r that's correct, carl, although that's part of what the inspector general will determine and whatever investigations begin on capitol hill are also going to look at. >> you mentioned syria. and that game changer line that red line comment that continues to come back to haunt him, he did try to address this, john, in the last press conference with the american media a couple weeks ago. how much more ground is there to plow? >> well, the president is, of course, moving very cautiously because if you say that you're drawing a red line and then it gets crossed, you've got to do something. what to do is the problem, the question, the dilemma facing the administration. it's something that i'm sure he talked about with david cameron. certainly the united states is now become well aware and everybody in foreign policy in the united states has become well aware of the dangers and difficulties of what happens when you intervene in a country in a s